i got the lower one in 2004 it was my first tat. i got it in texas. i will be getting it redone but i need to save some moolah... that one took about 1 hour. then the one on top i got in monroe,wi. at the steel dragon it took about 2 hours i think 2 1/2 if you count the smoke breaks... i love it... the wings were suppose to be a little more pink...